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Highlights from 25 Years of Cold Fusion Research

Friday, August 29, 2014
Back in 1989, Stanley Pons  and Martin Fleischmann stunned the world by announcing a new form of fusion that could take place at nearly room temperature. That's not particularly cold, but it's much colder than the temperatures of the sun, fusion bombs, and most controllable fusion proposals. On March 23 in '89, cold fusion was born.

I still have a copy of the very first paper Pons and Fleischmann released. It had been faxed (yep faxed!) from lab to lab in universities across the US and around the world. Many technical details were omitted, presumably because the cold fusion pioneers were eager to turn the revolutionary discovery loose to make the world a better place.

In honor of a quarter century cold fusion research, I've compiled the top ten advances in the field since that momentous spring day.


http://www.cutestpaw.com/images/est-picture-of-a-bunny-with-a-pancake-on-its-head/Number 1. Ummmm . . . .

Actually, there haven't been any advances in cold fusion. Sorry.

So here's a picture of a bunny with a pancake on it's head.





Posted by Buzz Skyline

56 Comments:

maryyugo said...

@Anonymous

Not sure what you mean "Mary Yugo's back." Where did I go? Rossi, on the other hand, is fading fast. Hey, he says his newest test could be positive or negative! His only honest word in a long time and it's a tautology!

Something big? Nah. Rossi's deconstruction isn't big. But it could be fun!

Friday, September 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM


Anonymous said...

Something big must be about to happen, Mary Yugo's back.

Thursday, September 4, 2014 at 1:05 PM


Alain Coetmeur said...

What is crazy is that such incredible example perfectly match too this epistemology failure.

I never imagined that cow would fly, but they do.
The worst is that I jumped from plane designed to transport cattle. I should have known.

Thursday, September 4, 2014 at 8:15 AM


drboblog.com said...

Alain,

If we only study birds under water we could easily be lead to believe that birds does not fly either.

In the right environment a cow will most certainly fly!

* In a airplane
* In the weightlessness of space
* In a tornado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaCa_lR_J6E

The cow in the vortex of a tornado is of course a great example of how the environment at extreme situations can change the properties of an object making it behave different than what we are used to.

Thursday, September 4, 2014 at 7:34 AM


Alain Coetmeur said...

In some top japanese kindergarten, there is a competition to get in.

they let the kids get in
thy put some big heavy bag in from of each kid

and they say that the bag have to be moved


and they have successful kids who have moved the bag, and understand the secret of life, of entrepreuneurship, and of cold fusion.

They don't have a PhD in physics, but they understand some secret of nature.

I told you.

the second is that if cows don't fly, this mean this is not cows who fly, not that no animal fly.

Wednesday, September 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM


drboblog.com said...

If you do, Dr Michio Kaku might consider to mention you as a reference when he writes Physics of the Impossible II (?)

Based on some of your earlier work, these calculations would take your no less than 5 minutes.

I think however that you should take things to another level. If you could calculate the probability of using spontaneous fusion reactions in glasses of water as a commercially viable power source, then I would be really impressed.

Heck, I would even publish such a scientific paper on my webpage after peer review.

The problem however is - as you correctly pointed out the the probability of such reaction is very low. According to my estimations we would have to wait at least between 4-10 billions of years before such an reaction takes place and the water would probably evaporate long before that. To back up your theory with observations within our lifetime we would probably need many billions of glasses of water in some kind of purpose built underground particle detector.

There is however something else I rather want your opinion on. Something even more taboo than Cold Fusion that few people in the Science Community dare to address - may I?

Kind Regard / DB



Wednesday, September 3, 2014 at 2:52 PM


Buzz Skyline said...

DB, I confess, I misread your comment (I was browsing on my phone). I thought you said "Fusion will take place in a glass of water if you let it stand for ten years."

I imagine fusion could eventually take place in a room temperature glass of water via quantum tunneling, but I wouldn't be surprised if the chances of it happening in the lifetime of the universe is vanishingly small. It would be an interesting calculation. I may attempt to estimate it, if I have a spare moment or two,

Wednesday, September 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM


drboblog.com said...

Hi Buzz,
You are pretty sure about much things that are not correct

The glass of water analogue is not something I have taken out of a text book, its a quote from my teacher. Supposedly it can happen but its a very rare reaction with low probability.

I have also heard that Nuclear Fusion takes place inside the Large Hadron Collider - sometimes - with a very low probability but slightly higher than that of Fusion processes in a glass of water. And then I heard about a 4th Nuclear Technology called Muon Catalyzed Fusion where Fusion takes place quite a lot but not often a lot yet for commercial practical technologies.

Then we have the X - factor, anomalies in nature which we can not explain, for example the "Oh My God Particles". Lets say a "Oh My God Particle" collides with my plate of porridge in the morning, that would make a whole lot of mess in my kitchen all though its just a subatomic particle. The Oh My God Particles carries 40 millions times more energy than the Protons within the LHC, no wonder that no one have been able to explain them fully yet. Being hit by a Oh My God Particle would feel like being hit by an Apple coming at you at 100 km/h, quite an energetic reaction - right?

The Coulomb Barrier makes sure that particles does not fuse to often, and thank God for that because I kind of like matter being stable rather than unstable.

Within Cold Fusion - which is in fact a material science based on nano technology - we see that there is reactions that can take place under just the right conditions. What is being done right now in labs all over the world (ukraine, japan, china, finland, france, italy, us......) is to research on how to optimize materials in order to make sure that these reactions takes place more frequently.

Hydrogen Atoms are very very small, we use many millions of them. If we can have a minute amount of them create a reaction forming Helium4, then the excess energy from that reaction whatever it is - is more than enough to cool keep your Igloo cool during the summer.


I look forward to your reply


Your Friend / DB

Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM


Alain Coetmeur said...

calorimetry is a job.

it is not because physicist are culturally incompetent that they can dismiss competent experimenters.

It is tricky, and it is real that many negative experiments, end all the authors of critical papers (Hansen, Lewis, Morisson) except Wilson (who in fact confirmed beside correcting) had done basic mistakes that competent calorimetricians know about.

yo claim there is an artifact you have to find which one..
In can just say LHC, which is not a reproduced experiments, is wrong in it's mesurement... needing no evidence. It would be less unfair than what is done on cold fusion.

For a course on calorimetry, you could read the book of edmund Storms http://www.amazon.com/Science-Energy-Nuclear-Reaction-Comprehensive/dp/9812706208,
where there is also basic directive to make a calorimeter.

you can also read that free student guide
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEastudentsg.pdf


of this one
http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118694430.html

best is anyway to let professional do calorimetry, and work on theory to explain the results.

the summary of history is that cold fusion is a chemistry experiment that was massively replicated, with huge signal over noise.

Simply physicist could not find any theory, so they assumed the chemist were wrong as you do.

no need of any evidence (required since there is none) since physicist are always perfect.

Some were more honest and admitted they have to find a better theory, but they were insulted. not very motivating.

Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 12:54 PM


Alain Coetmeur said...

you cannot exclude that there si some collective phenomenon.

your hypothesis is based on hidden assumption of two body physics in free space. too bad it is something between bulk and surface, probably none of those, probably in undetermined alloy and lattice context, in non-equilibrium conditions... I agree it is a mess, but science is not easy.

HTSC was also judged impossible, and scientist had to hide their findings in footnotes to make them pass, until is worked so reliably that they dared to publish it really...
this mean that for yes (not decade like CF) people could not exchange about anomalies they observed because there was no theory, and too much unknown in the required conditions...
http://www.mosaicsciencemagazine.org/pdf/m18_03_87_04.pdf

the ego of physicist is so high that they refuse to work on uncertain phenomenon in uncertain condition, even if it is intriguing and anomalous.

more ego the curiosity is not good for science.

HTSC discoverer were just more lucky because physicist were more competent in electricity than in calorimetry...

Just read the theory of Edmund Storms, the less weird, based on careful analysis of the experimental results accumulated since 25 years.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpdvwaQSnA
best is to read his book, which contain more details, better review of experiments and theories, with numerous problems listed.
http://lenrexplained.com/


about why physicis refuse anything without a theory and absolute reproducibility, unlike many real science domain like chemistry, you should read the book of Charles Beaudette in the second part "Validation"

http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf

Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM


Buzz Skyline said...

drboblog, I'm pretty sure that's not right.

Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM


drboblog.com said...

lol - Fusion will take place in a glass of water if you let it stand long enough
A 10 year old kid would know that




Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM


Buzz Skyline said...

Calorimetry is hard to do properly, and very easy to screw up, especially if you're out to verify a small effect that you want very badly to be true. If you think that QM is wrong, despite the enormous body of research proving it to be true and countless devices that rely on it (lasers, transistors, MRI machines, and so on and so on), then you might as well give up on physics altogether. Although, your comments make it clear that's the path you've already chosen.

Time will tell, of course, so in five years, I'll post another bunny pic unless someone manages to break out of the cold fusion quagmire and actually build a cold fusion generator or functioning machine of any sort. I'm completely certain that's not going to happen. So, look for the pancake bunny in 2019.

Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 10:30 AM


Anonymous said...

Physics leaves no room for cold fusion. Sorry. In order to start a fusion reaction you need huge quantities of energy. That is why fusion generally begins in the heart of a massive gravitational field, with significant compression of Hydrogen atoms. Fusion just cannot be initiated at 30 degrees Centigrade.

Monday, September 1, 2014 at 6:50 PM


Alain Coetmeur said...

from that work thread
http://www.lenr-forum.com/old-forum/showthread.php?2384-History-of-Rossi-E-cat

the article is there
http://www.lenr-forum.com/old-forum/showthread.php?2384-History-of-Rossi-E-cat
http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/2004/novembre/27/Riciclaggio_rifiuti_tossici_Assolto_Andrea_co_7_041127020.shtml

Mats lewans report a compatible story in his errata,
http://animpossibleinvention.com/errata/


you also have more realistic theory on the TEG story, plus some details...

in the old lenr-forum thread you have better theory about the TEG... where there is not massive conspiracy of DoD, or LTI boss, of Rossi and all people working on the subject...

from an rational analysis of those data, from Mats Lewan book, you simply see Rossi is stubborn, loose, but creative and working hard for his ideas, even stupid.

The failed demo you denounces, were either working, or visibly broken with subborn Rossi refusing to admit it... Mats Lewan explain it well. It is not stage magic, but bad test, last minute changes, immature technology.
Stage magic and mythology is always looking good, like Nathan Lewis theory, like MIT experiment tweaking.

anyway scientifically it is useless, because of Levi&al test.
no way you will ever accept it.
maybe like NYT who bashed Goddard on his stupid ideas of rocket, or SciAm who bashed Wright Bro for fabled performance (despite public tests, and multiple reports), you will take 60 years to give excuses.

Monday, September 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM


John Milstone said...

Alain, I supplied references to the newspaper articles proving everything I said.

You are still lying.

If you have any actual evidence that Rossi's fraud convictions were overturned, you need to provide them.

And, no, "Rossi said so" is not actual evidence.

Monday, September 1, 2014 at 7:46 AM


Alain Coetmeur said...

@milstone

you are wrong.

yes he was condemned for lack of pullution permits, but not for the fraud scheme he was accused of.

you spread the lies that he was making fake billing, but justice decided it was real business, with clients,, with industrial oil produced, yet considered illegal due to new laws.

when you confirm my point is when you say "because it was legal before". I agree. Rossi started witha legal real business, transforming waste to oil, but laws changed and he get condemned for lack of permit.

fraud have never been legal in italy, which clearly say he was not committing fraud...

please stop trying to fool the people who don't know the file well.

Monday, September 1, 2014 at 3:42 AM


Alain Coetmeur said...

most skeptics are forced, to face reality, to use an incestuous recursive logic.
since they don't admit data they can claim there is no data and thus that data which they consider are bad, confirmind there is none real.

we have since few years breakthrough of usable energy at interesting temperature.
the absolute amount of heat is not important (scaling up is job of engineers), but power density and working temperature is the key to industrialization.
Even the early test of Fralick (gas permeation at high temp), replicated at Nasa GRC after being replicated in Uni Tsinghua and by Biberian, open practical hope.
The real challenge is stability since the reaction is autocatalytic.

The most shocking critic, but i'm used with it, is people who simply say that once there is no explanation you can ignore facts.
This is exactly the behavior that Thomas Kuhn describe. anomaly are rejected (killing Popper) until there is a working theory that explains all pas facts.

If you need a theory you can read the book of Edmund Storms, "The Explanation of LENR"
http://lenrexplained.com/

75% of his theory is in that paper
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
but the book covers much more.
there is a wide review of the various proposed theories, of the theoretical challenges, of the experimental results , and additional details on the hydroton theory.

anyway real scientist should not need a theory to believe in instruments, provided it is well replicated and match century old calorimetry.

honestly breaking the two-body free space assumption of physicist QM is much more credible than breaking the laws of thermodynamics and calorimetry as Huizenga/Morrison propose.

Monday, September 1, 2014 at 3:30 AM


Anonymous said...

@Anonymous
So 25 years is the maximum time to get anything practical? If we follow that logic the hot fusion research should have been abandoned a long time ago.

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 9:23 PM


Anonymous said...

The best research is risky sometimes. Low probability, high payoff, don't see nothing wrong with that. Happens all the time.

Its not fair to on the one hand criticize those how do research as gullible, crazy, unscientific people and also demand that the technology be scaled up. You can't have it bought ways. Just look at the tone of this article, not meany people dare/are able to do research in the field. Maybe if people stop being such righteous aholes on the subject things might advance a little faster.

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 9:14 PM


John Milstone said...

Harold, you should double-check Hagelstein and Swartz' work. Last I heard, he was only claiming a few milliwatts, not watts as you claim.

There's also the question of why he is presenting his work at "feel-good" lectures at MIT [LINK], rather than an appropriate forum for what would be such a monumental discovery? I see that among the other IAP courses are: "Ballroom Dance", "Advanced Knitting" and "How to Spot a Good Deal at a Yard Sale or an Antique Store"

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 7:26 PM


John Milstone said...

Alain, you are lying when you claim that Rossi is "innocent of fraud".

He was tried and convicted several times in the 1990s and into 2000, both for pollution charges (creating toxic waste dumps), as well as for business fraud.

It's true that his pollution convictions were overturned, not because he didn't create toxic waste dumps, but because it wasn't illegal at the time.

In 1997, Rossi was convicted and sentenced to 2 years, 8 months for tax fraud. [LINK]

In 2000, Rossi was convicted for business fraud and sentenced to 8 years in prison. [LINK]

In 2004, Rossi convictions on the toxic wast dumping were overturned, but his convictions for business fraud were still in effect. [LINK] [LINK]

That's the last public record about Rossi before he popped up again with the E-Cat. It's interesting to note that when he was arrested in 2000, he was in the middle of selling the U.S. Army a non-functioning thermoelectric convertor. [LINK]

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 7:02 PM


Anonymous said...

@alainco, anonymous: The point is, you can replicate a radiometer's
"free energy production" a billion times, but you will NEVER get any useful energy from it. What has been - sometimes - replicated is a tiny amount of excess energy. If they haven't been able to scale it up in 25 years, well, research at your own risk.

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 5:51 PM


Anonymous said...

@ Buzz

Calling these researches cons does not speak for you. I thought scientist are decent people who do not need personal insults to make their point. These papers have been published in peer reviewed journals and are not intended to con anyone. In the worst case they are a wrong interpretation of research results but done in good faith. There is nothing wrong with being wrong, that's an aspect of the advancement of science. Criticize the methods and results of the papers. Calling them cons is a cheap shot but it saves you the work of actually reading the papers.

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM


Anonymous said...

@Anonymous
I don't follow your logic. The claim was that they saw an unexplained release of heat from a electro-chemical system. They did not understand the underlying physical process causing the effect. They did not present a clear mathematical model or a detailed explanation. So basically nobody knew how to do it including P and F. It was largely trail, error and persistence. In this study:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Calorimetric_Analysis_of_a_Heavy_Water_E.html?id=Rxy8YgEACAAJ

Fleischmann help replicate the effect for the US Naval Research Laboratory. A number of cathodes produced interesting results while many others did not give any results. Advances are made 1 step at the time.

Sunday, August 31, 2014 at 2:51 PM